Pro-abortion views are not necessarily the root problem in a person’s heart, but are a symptom of a person’s anti-biblical worldview. In Part 3 of the Life and Religious Liberty Debate, I started to steer the debate toward the root of the issue: the humanistic worldview at the heart of pro-abortion beliefs.
Below is Part 4 of 6 of the Life and Religious Liberty Debate where the discussion continues with humanist CJ. Note that transcript portions within each Part are not in exact consecutive order, but are in topical order for clarity. By the time I share Part 6 of 6, I will have shared the entire debate transcript. Names are abbreviated for privacy and brevity.
CJ:
KH, I said "YOU ALREADY get to live your life by YOUR beliefs."
Yes, blah, blah, blah ... your mother did not have an abortion so you are alive. That has nothing to do with what I said in my sentence. What I meant, if you could understand it, was not that you “get to live your life” – meaning you get to BE ALIVE, which is how you are choosing to take it but that can follow your beliefs. You can follow your belief system.
CJ:
KH, "and God established the laws of heaven and earth (Jeremiah 33:25). The Bible-believing Christian has reason to believe that the laws of physics today will be the same tomorrow. "
Well, every NON-believer also knows that the laws of physics will be the same tomorrow UNLESS NEW evidence proves differently.
And since YOU get to believe in your god and your laws of heaven and earth, why can't you EVER have the respect to allow others THEIR beliefs. I am not trying to force my beliefs ONTO you. Go ahead, believe your religion. But don't try to shove it down anyone else's throat or into any woman's womb.
Kevin:
CJ, I knew what you meant, but I chose to make a more important point. Regarding freedom of religion, why do you imply that you do not have freedom to follow your own belief system, which (I assume) is humanism? Again, when someone has an abortion, the child dies, and does not even get to the point of choosing to follow one belief or another; therefore, I chose to focus on the more important issue.
[In response to “Well, every NON-believer also knows that the laws of physics will be the same tomorrow UNLESS NEW evidence proves differently.”]
This statement helps reinforce the exact point that I was trying to make. The non-believer believes in laws of physics based purely on empirical evidence: secular scientists assume that the universe in the future will behave the same as it always has in the past—that is called the principle of uniformity. Secular scientists typically don’t expect new evidence to prove something counter to the principle of uniformity. Yet, while they believe in the principle of uniformity, they can’t explain *why* uniformity exists. On the other hand, Christian/Creation scientists not only utilize empirical evidence, but are also able to explain why uniformity exists, because God made all things (Genesis 1:1, John 1:3), is beyond time (2 Peter 3:8), upholds all things by His power (Hebrews 1:3), established the laws of physics (Jeremiah 33:25), and established the diurnal cycle and seasons (Genesis 8:22; Jeremiah 33:20).
[In response to the statement that beings with “And since YOU…” and ends with “…any woman’s womb.”]
How am I “forcing” my beliefs onto you? You posted a comment in a public forum, and I decided to respond and initiate a discussion/debate. You have the prerogative to ignore my comments, and yet, you chose to respond. You have complete freedom to reject and ignore what I’m saying. Perhaps you don’t like what I’m saying, because your heart reflects what is written in John 3:19-20. I will share John 3:16-20 for complete context:
“16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.”—John 3:16-20
You can be angry at me, hate me, and curse me, and whether that’s the case or not, here’s my response: God bless you! I’m not being sarcastic. Seriously, I pray nothing but God’s blessing for you.
Convincing someone to repent of their pro-abortion beliefs and become pro-life is difficult to accomplish without that person repenting of their anti-biblical worldview. Even if a non-Christian somehow does become pro-life, they are still in desperate need of the Savior. Therefore, in this portion of the debate, I revealed some fatal flaws of humanism, and shared the John chapter 3 proclamation of the Gospel. I shared this portion of scripture as a way of planting a seed of salvation for CJ and the other humanists within this debate, and for any other humanists who might have been reading the debate thread. Although their hearts are hardened, who knows what may come about someday.
“Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”—John 3:7-8