Christians are often accused of “imposing” their beliefs on others during debates on various topics such as origins, sanctity of life, and sexual morality. Christian beliefs are widely recognized as being Christian, and therefore, humanists use the common line of "You're just imposing your religious beliefs." Yet, the religion of humanism is not as commonly recognized. Individuals, companies, college campuses, and governments can easily force their humanist beliefs on others because beliefs such as evolution, pro-abortion arguments, and the LGBT agenda are generally not seen as religious beliefs from a particular religion: the religion of humanism. With that said, as you read Part 6 of 6 of the Life and Religious Liberty Debate transcript, consider the following: who is truly “imposing” their beliefs?
In Part 5 of the debate transcript, I took a detour from the dialogue with humanist CJ to share my discourse with humanists KM and SL. Part 6 of 6 of the debate transcript picks up where Part 4 left off regarding the debate with CJ.
As noted in each part of this blog post series, transcript portions within each Part are not in exact consecutive order, but are in topical order for clarity. Between Parts 1 through 6, I have now shared the entire debate transcript. Names are abbreviated for privacy and brevity.
CJ:
KH, "abortion barbarically “imposes”…it imposes death onto the most innocent people in our society."
NO, Kevin, YOU BELIEVE the fetus is someone already, when it isn't. And you have the right to that belief. You do NOT have the right to impose YOUR belief on ANYONE else. You whine and quote bible verses, rubbing our faces in your piety, but you are inflamed that someone might have different beliefs than yours. But the majority do. SHUT UP with your bible verses. Go to some other page and spew them. They mean NOTHING. You are just a bible-thumper. You can't face the fact that YOU already get to live life according to YOUR OWN BELIEFS, so you should allow others to live THEIR lives according to THEIR beliefs.
Kevin:
CJ, Your own message is completely self-contradicting. I believe that I have the right to come to a public page such as this and respond to comments that are publicly available. You must believe that I don’t have that right, because you are telling me to “shut up” and “go to some other page.” So, you believe something different in regards to that, and now you are trying to impose that belief onto me.
You left a lot of my questions unanswered in this thread. The one question that you tried to answer (regarding laws of physics) helped support the specific point that I was making. Here are the questions that you have yet to attempt to answer:
“Assuming you are a humanist, how do you define 'life' in your materialistic, evolutionary worldview? If we are all just the byproducts of random, chemical processes, then what makes humans different and more valuable than an inanimate object such as a chair, table, or can of motor oil? You also say that there is no science behind the belief that a child in the womb is a child. By what standard of observational science is it claimed that a 7-pound baby in the womb, sucking his/her thumb, is not life, and is not a child? Regarding science, if your brain is the byproduct of random chemical processes, then how can you trust your own conclusions to ever be accurate?”
Perhaps the heart of the issue is that your own worldview is bankrupt, and deep down, you know it. I used to be a type of humanist, so I know what it’s like (I used to be a non-secular humanist—I believed in a generic higher power, but held to humanist beliefs). Again, you can hate me and throw accusations at me, but I’m not attacking you personally, and I’m not “imposing” anything on you--I'm debating the positions and basis of your worldview. If you don’t want to hear anything more from me, then remember that it’s your prerogative as to whether you continue the conversation with me or not.
I checked the thread up to six days later and did not see any more responses CJ. My prayer is that someday God will grant her, and the other humanists in this thread, a broken heart of repentance. Deep down, they know who they are ultimately warring against: the One True God who wants to save them through the death and Resurrection of God the Son: Jesus.
And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.” —Acts 9:4-5 (ESV)